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ROULETTECOMPUTERS.COM IS A SCAM, PLEASE NOTE THE DIFFERENCE, THIS IS OWNED BY INTERNET CRIMINAL HOURMOUZIS

Some people have paid up to $6000 for this rubbish that does not work, especially Stefanos mobile phone that he claims we do not have and have not tested it, if we have not got it, then what is this Mr Hourmouzis>

This is how the scam is done!!!

Who to Avoid that are Fraudsters and Scammers, just one namely Steven Hourmouzis.

We also have some genuine vendors below listed, in fact currently, Mr Hourmouzis is the only one that a compulsive scam artist and we decided to give him a special mention first to avoid you losing your money to this slippery tongued scam merchant, we show how his video scam is done its done, name his victims with their proof of receipt and show you his cheap dig back at us with a site hosted at Zyweb. We expose his million pound offices to be none other than his living room, that his wife owns the family house and is no catwalk model like he claims and his former court case when he was imprisoned for Internet Fraud.

We show you how this scam is done with a link to You tube showing in part, a small proportion of the video showing how the scam is done.

This system in his video was stolen from a guy that gave it away for free and has since died and Mr Steven Hourmouzis gladly offers you it for just $2000! But does it work, No, its a scam and Mr Hourmouzis uses a technique called dealer signature to place the ball where he wishes. Look at the numbers below in the screen shot between 5 and 10 there is a black line on the track. Now if you watch exact point and the number that passes this point when Mr Hourmouzis spins the ball you will see that unbelievably that this is the same number he calls out with his bullshit magic pattern system. In fact if you follow what he is doing you actually will do better than what he does in his videos and you don,t have to spend $2000 dollars to find out why! Watch the entire video and see how using this simple observation of the number under the black line when he releases the ball gives you a better advantage than him! What a scammer you are Steven Hourmouzis.

How the scam is done . .

Here is a screen shot of what to look for and how he does the scam, you would never ever find these conditions in a real casino!

He owns the following sites and should be avoided at all costs, he is an extremely well versed manipulator and fraudster and has been in prison for defrauding and scamming people.

Avoid these sites

Avoid this former imprisoned Fraudster, liar and cheat and see how he does his scams at http://stevenhourmouzis.com

Avoid these sites

http://roulettecomputers.com http://genuinewinner.com http://site-promotion.com

Avoid these message boards that are used and owned by Internet criminal Hourmouzis to lure you into purchasing a roulette computer

http://vlsroulette.com/ http://www.rouletteforum.net

GENUINEWINNER.COM is not even his system, either it was from Mr OOPS site or Ion Saliu claims it is his system.

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Genuinewinner.com he either stole it from Mr oops or Ion Saliu, but check this link out where Ion Saliu claims he stole his system after having contact with the fraudster.

Here is a list of people wanting the 200% refund you claim you give people if your product does not work, can these people have a refund Mr Hourmouzis?

Hi Mark

Here is proof of payment for Stefanos system, I just want my money back, you have permission to show everything I write and proof of payment of $2000 to this conman.

Heres proof of me Gethin Hills payment who has repeatedly asked for a refund and you can see his email to me>

rom MicroSoft Sucks <highlander243@hotmail.com> to mark anthony <markhowy@googlemail.com> date Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:10 AM subject Re: Predict Roulette Contact form mailed-by hotmail.com

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hi mark

i wrote you ages ago about trying to get a refund from the rip off artist stefano. sorry for the delay but i now have the time to follow up on this matter. do you have a fax num. where i can fax you all documents i have from when i bought the system. to scan them will be difficult but maybe possible.

i book the GW ebook. he refuses to give me a password to open it & accuses me of breaking the terms agreement with no proof. the system just doesnt work as he states, he takes days, weeks & even months to return emails. before i bought the system he spouted about how you are paying for his personal support, once bought he just ignores you & gives excuses about why he takes so long to reply. i´ve been burnt & i accept that. maybe with some luck, you can help me get a refund.

all the best

stevan martin

Tony from France did get a refund after heavy pressure highlighted he had been scammed by Mr Hourmouzis

Here is his email to Steven Hourmouzis and proof he purchased the system, Steven Hourmouzis claims the several thousand dollars is for a Nokia phone repair, can you beleive this guy.

Heres the mail from Tony to Steven hourmouzis

Proof of shipment and scam in shipment claiming its for a nokia repair

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
Email: jorgerin@gmail.com
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Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

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Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

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Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
Email: jorgerin@gmail.com
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Siteurl: http://
Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hi Jorge
if you send me all the details, I can send everything to the correct authorites, then ask Stefano for a refund stating what you have done, he will more than likely, then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites. Its not as easy as you think , because he has covered himself slightly and has a disclaimer. Which system did you purchase?

Regards

Mark ..

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On 9/21/07, Jorge Lafuente wrote:

Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

On 9/20/07, mark anthony wrote:

Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

On 9/19/07, jorge lafuente garcia wrote:

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
Email: jorgerin@gmail.com
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Siteurl: http://
Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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hi Mark, ill scan the payment receipt to send it to you, i used my bank to make a wire transfer. that was the way i puechased the system. just a question: i didn´t understand on your last letter this part: “then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites.”
Thanks again, have a nice day
jorge.
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On 9/21/07, mark anthony wrote:

Hi Jorge
if you send me all the details, I can send everything to the correct authorites, then ask Stefano for a refund stating what you have done, he will more than likely, then pay up after he receives a letter from the correct authorites. Its not as easy as you think , because he has covered himself slightly and has a disclaimer. Which system did you purchase?

Regards

Mark ..

On 9/21/07, Jorge Lafuente wrote:

Hello Mark, how do i contact the authorities and what should i have to tell them? Do you think is better to talk to stefano too to tell him im unhappy with his system and i want my money back or i just tell the authorities and send you the proof of payment? By the way, i paid in a wire transfer.

thanks, jorge.

On 9/20/07, mark anthony wrote:

Hi there

I am sorry to hear the bad news, you will have to send me proof of payment, when you purchased it and name the problems you had with it, I will publically place it on my site, but first contact the relevent authorities regards your losses, they can put pressure on stefano to issue a refund to you.

did you pay by credit card, bank transfer?

all details would be appreciated, then we can go from there.

Regards

Mark . .

On 9/19/07, jorge lafuente garcia wrote:

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Name: jorge lafuente garcia
Email: jorgerin@gmail.com
Number:
Siteurl: http://
Comments: Hello Mark Howe, a friend told about Stefano`s scam, and unfortunatly i bought his system a year ago, and obviously haven`t succed at all yet. My contact told me that you helped him getting his money back, please i want that you help me on what is posible to you, to see if i can get refound. Thanks.
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Hi Jorge

He will have to pay you a refund if you can prove
A you purchased the system( please state which one)
B Why you believe it does not work, use any evidence you can, even my sites.
C When you purchased it and what money have you lost trying to use it!
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Hello Mark, this is Jorge, I´m sorry for not writing for some time,
but i´m going to be honest to you. As you know i´m convinced that
stefano`s system is a scam and thats why i decided to contact you in
the first place, but i was waiting for a little while before telling
him to refound my money because he is been very pushed by all the
players about a CV online software that he promised to all of us was
going to be ready to use soon, so i have been waiting to see if its
real that that thing exist, But these last days some players that feel
the same than me were talking in the players forum like it is all a
lie, and a friend of me ( another player) yesterday was banned of the
“system team” and by the way i told him to contact you too.

I really appreciate your concern on helping me, and i really want to
continue right now with this because i dont like that Stefano do this
to people.
Tell me what should i do from now please, well you told me to contact
him asking for my refound and give him one week and if he refuses to
answer. contact you again. Thats what i´m going to do now, please let
me know of any news

Thank you again Mark, i´ll let you know as soon as i send him my
ultimatum message. Now i have to go to work but as soon as i get back
home i´ll do it.

Best regards to you!

jorge.

On Oct 15, 2007 4:48 PM, mark anthony wrote:
> Hi Jorge
>
>
> first things first.
>
> you need to contact Stefano and ask him for a full refund.
>
> State that you are going to go to the authorites and also contact his
> competiitors with all information that the system loses and evidence of
> purchase if he cannot make a refund. You will also contact the Police.
>
> State to him, if he wishes to not to pay you back a refund that he claims he
> does at his site, or what grounds does he not wish to pay you your refund?
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> Give him 1 week to reply.
>
> We have to do this legally frst.
>
> YOu need to save proof that he refuses to pay you.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark
>

Jorge Lafuente
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hello mark, im sorry for not contact you before but i had to go for a couple of weeks to make a job, im back now.
ill try to make a copy of the recipt of the transaction to stefano, i can tell you that im unhappy because i sent him spins to be analized from him to find the “customs” from different wheels but never succidded, he just told me that maybe i was taking bad spins or cause of the humidity or air pressure or anything to make me think that i had to be more careful taking the spins for analisis.
I havent losse much money with the system because its been almost imposible to use it( for not say IMPOSIBLE), but yes i lost real money, and i have never win at all not even to recover my $2000( i bought the roulette standard system). He says in the site that EVEN A LITTLE KID CAN APPLY THE SYSTEM, and i dont think so at all. He says later(offcourse when he had sell the system) that is not so easy, you have to consider lots of things, and i cant stay for a hole day during a hole month in a casino trying to get perfect spins….
I have lost a lot of my valuable time doing nothing.
Im i a little clear. ?
Please tell me if its ok this that i have told you here, or do i need to tell you more specific the points, and please tell me what should i have to do now.

All his footage is a scam, this is where a croupier can influence where the ball will land.  Courtesy of :http://www.rouletteprediction.com/extra4.htm

Croupier Video 1 Croupier Video 2

This is another system devised by Stefano Hourmouzis built into a mobile phone. Check his imprisonment for internet fraud only a few years ago, if he really had a roulette computer that works, he would not have had to resort to lying and cheating people and risk going to prison. http://computeroulette.com. Clearly ineffective and many claims made by Stefano about the product and its features and hardware are exagerated and lies. This has a Tic Tack Toe game at the beginning to disguise the real program, but you say, did not the Newton Computer(See below about the Newton) also have this game to hide its real features, Yes folks, you have guessed it, its simple the Newton computer dressed up as his own product with a few bells and whistles thrown in the code. Not that it matters, this does not work either, One poor victim had this roulette computer program  with the genuinewinner system built into a phone,BOTH SYSTEMS! He  LOST A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY WITH BOTH SYSTEMS OVER AN 8 MONTH PERIOD!  Stefano has refused the victim a refund, the guy has now reported him to the authorites in Australia along with many others.  You can see proof of purchase of the system by the victim and the shipping docket and the review by the victim with his complaints made to the vendor Stefano hourmouzis in an email at http://www.computeroulette.com . Also read how Stefano sets up his own review sites claiming competitors are fraudulent and his systems are genuine. This guy was previously imprisoned for scamming people and cheating people only 7 years ago and only made around $3500 US dollars for his efforts, I wonder why he did not use one of his roulette systems to make money instead, simply because they do not work! Read about his court case at http://www.computeroulette.com

We have since been contacted by another 7 of his customers who have all reported him and that his computer is ineffective.

Overpriced at several $2000 and fraudulent footage, this is how its really done:

http://www.rouletteprediction.com/extra4.htm

Croupier Video 1 Croupier Video 2

This Fake system claimed to be devised by former   imprisoned internet Fraudster Steven Hourmouzis  ( you will know him by his fake name Stefano Hourmouzis) is a scam. Read about Steven Hourmouzis internet scam and how he tricked people and was tracked down by international Police, the FBI and imprisoned. http://stevenhourmouzis.com Also check out Lawyer David Steinburgs site http://roulettesystemsexposed.com.  The system idea at http://genuinewinner.com is actually free at: http://xerxx.se/oops/fresys/biashot/moqs.html where Steven Hourmouzis actually stole the system idea from, yes, you have got it, he did not create anything but simply copied a free idea of someone else and put a price tag of $2000 dollars on it! It would only show a slight advantage if you had very poor staff who were spinning the ball and rotor consistantly( you would be very lucky to find such casino conditions today), but Steven Hourmouzis demonstates it himself spinning the ball and rotor consistantly to fool you into thinking it will work in a real casino environment.  Hourmouzis is simply influencing where the ball will land by releasing the ball and noting what number is opposite under a diamond. Then he notes the strike point. If its 7 pockets from his release number, he simply adds 7 pockets to his the number opposite when he releases the ball. This Would never happen in a real casino, staff are trained to mix up their spins!

As you can clearly see, he offers a $100.000 Guarantee and challenge if you claim his systems does not work, impressive, until you want your money back, only insults that you are a fool and idiot come back in emails or threats. Steven Hourmouzis shows footage that also looks impressive showing a massive profit without the aid of a computer claiming his magic patterns are predicting. DO NOT BE FOOLED, to experienced and knowledgable casino personal and players, this is simple Dealer signature, in other words, he influences where the ball goes physically. Seasoned players know this and know to always place your bets after the Croupier releases the ball. It can be shown how to obtain the exact same edge easily without Stefano’s magical patterns over the whole footage at several experienced roulette vendors sites.

You will also be able to read a FULL REVIEW by one of his victims and see proof that they have the system along with Stefano (Steven) Hourmouzis court case for scamming people only 7 years ago and winding up in prison! http://stevenhourmouzis.com